Guest Book Entries
(Book 3, Page 2)
Sandra Canepa Saturday, 7/29/06, 3:10 PM
Hello Glen, Thanks for your concern which could not have come at a better time. We Green Space Ladies have not, repeat, have not, gone into a self imposed exile. We have been keeping an eye and ear on the Fort Monroe happenings which are not unlike the Buckroe happenings. By that I mean Buckroe is as much of a "national" treasure to generations of Hampton residents as Fort Monroe is a national treasure to generatons of Americans, and we believe both need to be saved for the public and not sold off to developers. However, throughout the Fort Monroe processes, we three Green Space Ladies (Trish, Cecile and I) have continued to be in communication with Hampton Council members and the city manager about the Buckroe Bay Front issue....and that communication produced hopeful news which really was unofficial until today. Today's mail contained a letter from Mr. Jesse Wallace, Hampton City Manager. It is now official, and we can advise our supporters that the Buckroe Bay Front planning team (whose makeup we had such heartburn over) has been disbanded in favor of the city working with professional consultants and an experienced park designer in an effort to develop options, with public comment/input, prior to a selected preferred option by the November/December timeframe. Upon the selection of an option, Hampton staff will proceed with amending the Buckroe Master Plan to reflect the selected plan for the Bay Front Initiative. The battle is not over yet but please know we have requested permission for the public, particularly the Green Space Ladies who represent 12,000 Hampton residents, to be able to view the work of the professional park designers as they develop options for the Buckroe Bay Front just as the public was able to do last week as designers worked over options for Fort Monroe. We want to ensure the park designers include what Hampton residents want on their world-class city park in Buckroe, and we want to be able to update and report same via this website to our 12,000 petitioners as well as to all interested Hampton residents. A copy of the today's letter from Mr. Wallace will appear on this website shortly. Stay tuned...and my great thanks to all who cotinue to support and believe in our effort.
From: Hampton
Email: sandra@buckroebeach.org
Glen Saturday, 7/29/06, 9:50 AM
I am very concerned about the lack of discussion taking place regarding the b-lots. It appears that the greenspace ladies have gone into some sort of self imposed exile. What is happening?
Louis F Thursday, 7/27/06, 5:11 AM
I agree with Crystal. We all need to maintain some sense of unity to prevent the atrocities that the city is planning. The carnage that we as citizens will see at the hands of our elected officials is disgusting and we must stop our petty arguements. It is the only way that we shall overcome. I urge my brother Ned Light to come together with his sisters Judy and Cindy to help all of Buckroe to unite. While it may be true that Ned comes from a much wealthier group than most of us, I feel that he could still be a man of the people. I urge Ned to think about buying all of the parcels for sale in Buckroe, and forever protecting our greenspace. Imagine the Light Seaside Park and Retreat.
From: BuckroeI
Crystal H. Wednesday, 7/26/06, 3:46 PM
Enough with the trash talking. Is the City still going to pave part of the beach or what? And I read that they want to put a total of 350 condos on the 10 acres of b-lots. Does anybody have any info about that?
From: Buckroe
Glen Wednesday, 7/26/06, 8:54 AM
Yo Cindy and Ned! Keep that stupid arguement up in your elitist neighborhood that won't allow riff raff like us to visit the beach. I hope when this is all said and done people like you will not be allowed to come to the public beach. Maybe we could put up a fence to keep your neighborhood out of ours!
Ned Light Wednesday, 7/26/06, 8:33 AM
You can consider your self lucky I don't have any intention on buying that marina Cindy, because you would be the first to go.
Cindy Wednesday, 7/26/06, 6:56 AM
You are not a nice person Ned Light! Just because you are Terry O's neighbor does not make you an authority on everything. You care about the b-lots about as much as he does to begin with! And don't fault me because the dock near your 54 foot luxury yacht is in disrepair. You could afford the entire marina and fix it up but you won't because it is much easier to hang out with your buddies on your golf carts and criticize me.
Ned Light Wednesday, 7/26/06, 5:32 AM
Youre not a very nice person Cindy, we all care about Buckroe and the park, some want a bigger park, and some want a nicer community to surround the park. You need to pay attention to your own job and start fixing all of those rotting docks at salt ponds before spouting off on this site or all your big expensive boaters are going to move to another marina.
Cindy Wednesday, 7/26/06, 5:01 AM
You people keep whinning about those stupid b-lots and we can't even get the idiots to dredge our channel! I mean whats more important a stupid "park"ing lot, or a deep water channel to let out these expensive boats for the folks that own the private-public beach? Lets get our priorities straight here!
From: Salt Ponds
Louis F. Tuesday, 7/25/06, 1:14 PM
Don't be cross at the Boss. If you are it will be your loss! Because in this one race town he is the hoss. When he drinks he thinks! And when he thinks it usually stinks! Because his reasoning skills are like those of the missing links! So when you think of the b-lot shame pass him no blame. Chances are during the vote little man Ross was probably pretty deep in the sauce!
Kip Spangler Tuesday, 7/25/06, 6:46 AM
Glen you are correct about our short mayor, let¿s just hope he is a short-term mayor as well. That nincompoop isn¿t smart enough to run a lemonade stand yet he¿s got the whole city in a stranglehold. I just hope that one day he is forced to admit the shame and embarrassment he has caused here. As for you green girls and your cause, i'm sorry to say I must agree with Ned, unless the mayor goes away, your chances of keeping lots b are slim to none and Slim is heading out the door.
From: grandview
Glen Tuesday, 7/25/06, 5:18 AM
Thanks again Ned for that rosey outlook that you have on things. I say we let Boss Ross and his special friend Terry O get to work in Phoebus and maybe they will forget about Buckroe! They will probably find more to plunder over there anyway. You would think that if that worthless mayor had a clue about anything then he would be working on creating jobs not hatred in this community. But it is obvious that the idiot has property taxes on his mind as the only way to pay expenses. Just another reason that you don't let someone that was a failure in his own business run a City. After his bar failed he became a teacher and has lived off of our tax dollars ever since. Some how he now has become a man of vision. He has surrounded himself with a goon squad of yes men, and has forced the rest of council to vote his way. Sounds just like a couple other little short men that have been leaders. He has become what he complained about for years and is now the problem not the solution.
Ned Light Monday, 7/24/06, 1:06 PM
I think Manfred is being a little sarcastic, however there is a point. Sandra and friends finding a philanthropist with a fat stack of cash to donate for a public park would be about the only thing that would keep the City from moving forward with the development. 1,200 signatures on a petition, emails, Sandra speaking at every meeting....none of that means anything to this Council. Raise some cash for this world class park idea, I be willing to bet that¿s one thing Council wouldn¿t ignore.
Manfred Perkins Monday, 7/24/06, 12:24 PM
Maybe you can get Auggie to come down here from Williamsburg and build a mini Busch Gardens on the B-lots. It could be just like the old days, The Dips, the Ferris wheel, and the carousel....everything as it was except for the $50/ person admission fee and $10 parking charge. Just think, it may be a little expensive, but it still could be enjoyed by all citizens rather than a wealthy few condo owners
Email: Malo Beach
Glen Monday, 7/24/06, 12:14 PM
Well there you go again Mr. Ned Light! Everytime someone offers a constructive idea you shoot it right down. I just thought we could get everyone to be a part of the program. With all of the millions of tourists that pour into Buckroe each year certainly there would be a huge market for cookies. And everyone loves a clean car! What a better time to get a wash and wax then while your sunning on the beach? Maybe we could take this thing a step further and get hairdressers, and barbers and tax accountants, etc. involved. This could produce millions!
Ned Light Monday, 7/24/06, 12:02 PM
Well you better get baking Glen, Because based on what I heard they got for Gordon's trailer park and what they are asking for the lot on Bayshoe Ln. You're looking at around $1 to 2 Million per acre. That's a lot of cookies.
Glen Monday, 7/24/06, 11:35 AM
Can't we all just get along? Maybe we could plan a series of bake sales and car washes to raise money to purchase the b-lots. That is probably the only way that we can protect ourselves from the City. Otherwise its condo time!!!! :(
Ned Light Monday, 7/24/06, 11:21 AM
Chris, I go past that beach every day. The B lots are used for overflow parking, (less now since the new parking on the first st extension was added) and the dog park. The 20 acres which include the beach and the park (pavilion area) is where people really congregate and is what most folks really care about. 30 Acres of park would be nice, but we can realistically live with the 20 acres we have. As Louis pointed out the north end of the beach is never fully used. Go take a trip to NJ or Ocean City MD, and you'll see beaches that are much more crowded, and parking that is more difficult to find, and expensive on top of that. If the City was planning on something like Town Point Park in Norfolk for the B-lots I could be supportive, but that's not Mayor Moron's idea and since Sandra and pals haven¿t made inroads in changing his mind over the past year I doubt it¿s going to happen now.
Steve T. Monday, 7/24/06, 10:09 AM
Chris C. You Rock! Buckroe has lured me to Hampton for years, with and without planned events, and I attend any open public events at Fort Monroe, such as their concerts and Tattoos, and I love the Casemate Museum. I agree completely......both must be saved from developers. As Judy points out below, Buckroe and Fort Monroe, each in their own way, are "national treasures" to thousands. I only hope everyone interested in saving both are continuing to back the efforts of Buckroe's Green Space Gals and are offering your own visions for Fort Monroe at the meetings being held for just that reason in Hampton's Convention Center through Wednesday. If you just sit in front of your computer and complain on this website, you are not doing anything constructive to save either. My thanks and congratulations to those who are doing something to save both Buckroe and Fort Monroe...and now I am off to the Hampton Convension Center to add my assistance to their load.
From: Newport News
Louis F. Monday, 7/24/06, 10:07 AM
The funny thing about all of this is that not many people come to Buckroe in the first place. There has not been one day this year that the beach has been overly crowded. The northern section of the beach is hardly ever used and the southern section looks like a trash heap where they started building the new Brass Lantern on stilts. My hopes out of this thing is that we can start getting people to come to Buckroe to utilize the beach. Unfortunately, I agree with Ned because the Mayor already has plans in the works. The whole steering committee thing was just a farce to cool down the greenspace efforts. Sadly, Angela Leary's vote is now in the Boss's pocket and Randy G. has given in as well. Maybe we can ask the City to hire a professional planning team to evaluate the beach area. As of now we have relied on Terry O'Neil to muck this thing up. If he were any good at planning he would not be working for the City so maybe we should let a real pro take a shot at fixing his mistake.
Chris C. Monday, 7/24/06, 9:31 AM
Ned, Sounds like you are a pessimist instead of a realist. Lots B have been enjoyed by those 12,000 friends and many others much more than Ft. Monroe has simply because Ft. Monroe has always been a military post and not as accessible to the public. Buckroe Beach is where you see all the people even when there is not an event to lure them there. Those 10 acres are just as important to the public as Ft. Monroe, and hopefully, both properties will be saved.
From: Hampton
Ned Light Monday, 7/24/06, 8:30 AM
Judy, I'm not riding fences i'm just a realist. Ross Kearney has already made up his mind that there will be development on the B-lots and no one is going to change that. Not you or 12,000 of your closest friends. That is a battle that you can't win. Should there be some sort of compromise? Of course. Will there be? probably not. The good thing is that it is only 10 acres for them to screw up vs 500 at Ft Monroe. If we are lucky they'll at least sell the b-lots to a developer with some vision like Bobby Freeman (Port Warwick). Ft. Monroe is another story as of right now the City has no control over it, so our village idiot mayor can't get his sticky fingers on it to bollocks it up. If enough intelligent people can make that case to the state and federal authorities, then there may be hope that the Monroe is not turned over to Hampton.
Glen Monday, 7/24/06, 4:27 AM
Excellent comment Louis! I think that Ned Light needs to focus more on the issues and less on insulting people. Judy is obviously not the brightest light in the harbor, but she does have a right to an opinion(however goofy it might be)and we should respect her ideas. But we do all need to stay focused on the City and what they are trying to do behind the scenes. Oddly enough many of these experts don't even live in Hampton. Imagine that! Decision makers that don't have a chip in the game. No wonder they want to pave beaches and greenspaces!
From: Buckroe
Louis F. Sunday, 7/23/06, 5:56 AM
Ned Light and Linda need to stop their useless bickering! It is not helping anyone to fight amongst ourselves. Perhaps you two could go out for a cup of coffee and see what points that you do agree on, and work towards common goals. But you both need to grow up and act like adults before they turn Buckroe and Fort Monroe into nightmares!
Judy Friday, 7/21/06, 3:20 PM
Ned, you are incorrect with many statements below, particularly your i.e., and then on top of that you speak with a forked tongue. In one instance you are defending the high-density, high-cost housing planned by City Council and the planning department for Lots B at Buckroe and in the next instance you say, "As for Ft Monroe I can only pray that the Commonwealth steps in and protects us by not allowing our horribly incompetent City Council and planning director from destroying a national treasure." Ned, make up your mind....either you support what City Council and the Planning Department want for Buckroe and Fort Monroe or you do not support their plans for Buckroe and Fort Monroe. Buckroe is as much of a national treasure to Hampton residents as Fort MOnroe is a national treasure to the nation.....don't ride the fence!
From: Hampton
Ned Light Friday, 7/21/06, 12:11 PM
Keep dreaming Judy i.e. Sandra, millions of tourists in Hampton? If you think for one minute that any park (I don't care if it's world-class or universe-class) on those 10 acres or so is going to draw in people that would normally be headed to VA Beach or the Outer Banks, then I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Moderate tourism is all that we will ever see. People who want to visit Buckroe will do so with or without homes and business on the b-lots. The advantage of the homes will be to support the business during the off season when there is no "tourism". The bigger park idea is nice but not very practical. Heck the city doesn't take very good care of the existing park what would they do with more to maintain. People in years to come can have cookouts on the existing park land and lie on the beach just like always. It seems like the green folks here are trying to make it out like that is going to change. As a resident of Buckroe I would certainly rather see a healthy community than a tourist trap. As for Ft Monroe I can only pray that the Commonwealth steps in and protects us by not allowing our horribly incompetent City Council and planning director from destroying a national treasure.
Willie Mills Thursday, 7/20/06, 8:13 AM
Why are you people whinning about the City? If you guys had all put your dots in the right areas during the charrettes Terry O and the Boss would not be able to build condos. But since you did not do that there is now proof that everybody wanted condos when we held the public hearings! What great leadership, I think that this is how Stalin started out before he built all of the gulags.
From: Hampton
Cynthia Thursday, 7/20/06, 7:11 AM
I think once Fort Monroe opens up the tourists will go there so in the long run it makes sense to build all the condos possible. The City wants to turn Buckroe into a mini power plant won't that be great with bars and nightclubs up and down the beach? Apparently the Mayor love VA Beach and wants Buckroe to look just like it. I think he must have that envy thing that Freud described, or maybe it's a Napoleonic complex deal.
From: Buckroe
Judy Thursday, 7/20/06, 7:02 AM
This is in reply to Ned Light's question: "Where do you think the money will come from to maintain the world class park that the people on this site want the City to build?" Ned, the money will come from the millions of tourists and visitors who will come to our area for generations to come either for conventions or just to enjoy a world-class city park along the beautiful Chespeake Bay. People do not visit waterfronts to look at foam and plastic residential homes.....that type of development will drive tourists to other more unspoiled waterfronts. Cities throughout the world are competing for tourist dollars....and many of those cities do not have what Hampton has.....let's work toward keeping it wonderful and improving it for all. Residential development on Buckroe's Bay Front may bring taxes for a few years but in the long run residential development will cost this city more money in services and upkeep as residents begin to let them fall into disrepair. A wonderful Buckroe Bay Front Park and Fort Monroe, if both are managed well, can make this area a major destination spot on the East Coast....and that will bring in more money, for generations, than any residential development along our coastline could ever hope to do....one doesn't need studies to prove this, one only needs vision and that is something our city staff sorely lacks.
From: Hampton
Boss Ross Wednesday, 7/19/06, 2:06 PM
Friends, I am the Little Corporal of Phoebus, and I am marching throughout my land to take your land. I am the most important person in my history therefore what belongs to you actually belongs to me! Wait til you see what I have planned for the Fort! Please come and participate in the charrettes so that a couple of years I can say that a majority of "stakeholders" (I love saying that!) supported my plan. Hopefully, those darn history lovers, and people from outside my empire won't come. I asked Terry O to give them bad directions!
Ned Light Monday, 7/17/06, 12:46 PM
I always find it amusing to read posts like Linda's below. All complaints about what is, wants for what is not, and absolutely no potential solutions or understanding of what can or cannot be realistically done. A democrat in true form. Where do you think the money will come from to maintain the world class park that the people on this site want the City to build? Thats right...our taxes. In essence what you are supporting is the City spending more money rather than selling that property and giving us all some more tax relief.
Louis. F. Monday, 7/17/06, 9:12 AM
Well Linda you better start working on getting votes from part of the Boss Ross Fab Four cause they are going to steamroll this thing through. They set up that new steering committee to be pointless and powerless. If no one can agree on a direction to take then the original master plan will kick in gear, and condos will be built.
Linda Monday, 7/17/06, 8:55 AM
Well Bascom, I am glad that the green space ladies are fighting to save the 3 "B" blocks. I don't want to see that land developed into high price condos, I also don't want to see the public lose access to what should remain a public beach. I know there has been a bad element and high crime, but would like to see that go as well. I certainly don't want to see property taxes go through the roof, and don't want to see us as taxpayers have to be the ones to foot the bill for all of this supposed great development that will improve our area, and it seems that we are the ones that always seem to have it stuck to us, and it is time for that mess to stop.
From: Buckroe
Glen Friday, 7/14/06, 1:52 PM
Bascon, You hit the nail right on the head with your comments! We need new blood to thin out the existing herd of politically oportunistic thugs that have traditionally ruled Hampton! This legacy continues on today with the current leader of our City that has demonstrated very little to prove that he is able to handle the tasks at hand. Instead he has micro-managed every segment of the City and has manipulated the processes in which citizens are allowed to participate in City government to suit his own ambitions. Everywhere throughout the City people are disgusted with this tyrant and his cronies. Rich, poor and everywhere in between the people of Hampton have had enough of this nonsense. Lets all stay involved and work to free ourselves and our City from these despots that abuse their power for personal gain!!!!!
Bascom D. Cranshaw Friday, 7/14/06, 1:10 PM
Linda, The bad element and crime is already here, it's been in Buckroe for years. The new development is meant to get rid of that element. What the gals here are really fighting for is to keep the condos away so that Buckroe won't turn into a rich and exclusive enclave. They are afraid that if the b- lots are developed then surrounding property values will increase to a point where lower income folks won't be able to afford to live here anymore. They are also afraid that if the condos are built that the people who live in them will start complaining about noise from the beach and try to make limitations on who comes here and when, just like the people up at salt ponds beach are trying to do. These are valid concerns and it is understandable that they want to keep the beach open for all citizens as it should be. As for your question on growth, it is vital for cities to grow in order to survive. If you have no growth or improvement you'll eventually go broke and die. Just look at many cities in the northeast. Hampton is out of balance with too much low income and run down housing, in order to maintain roads and pay for schools and police you need money. Since Hampton has no major industry like our neighbors to the west the only source for that money is property taxes. A greater number of higher income houses = more taxes. This actually helps the low income folks as well with more public services and overall lower tax rates. It also helps by bringing a broader base of diverse people, people who could end up becoming City leaders and bring about the positive changes this City needs by getting rid of the good-old-boy network. You see growth is important and it is good. Hampton is not going to become Atlanta, but it could be a lot better that what it is right now.
From: hampton
Glen Thursday, 7/13/06, 10:28 AM
Linda, I really don't think condos will bring in a bad element to Buckroe. Actually it will probably get rid of some of the bad people that are already there. What you should be upset about is the fact that the City Council members are not honest or are being misled by the City staff. I hope there being misled by the likes of Terry O'Neil and Jimmy Eason, but who knows some of them may just be incompetent enough to build a parking lot on the beachfront or agree with the design of the First street extension. Whatever the case the City has very real leadership problems. This is probably the worst it has ever been, and there is no end in sight. I suggest that you pray alot and hope that a wayward lighting bolt strikes in the right place.
Linda Thursday, 7/13/06, 7:52 AM
Well Glen, that is why we all need to keep fighting for this cause. In my opinion, there is way too much developent going on for useless places. I am not happy about the power plant going in, and there was talk about one going up in downtown Hampton. What I want to know, and what I never seem to get an answer to from anyone is why it is so important for Hampton to grow. We are not Atlanta, we are not California. We are a small town community that needs to stay just the way it is. We don't need condos going up all over the place, bringing in a bad element along with high crime which is what we are fighting against. The extension of First Street down to Old Point Comfort is something that us, the taxpayers are going to be stuck with. I think we all should get together and run these developers out of here on a rail.
From: buckroe
Glen Thursday, 7/13/06, 6:08 AM
Linda, I agree that Terry O'Neil needs to be run out of town as soon as possible, but understand that these folks on council have to have some resposibility. When the Mayor comes out in the paper and announces that he has four votes in his pocket their is a problem. He is the one leading the charge for the condos on the b-lots and to pave the beach with a parking lot. Two of "his" four votes used to belong to Angela Leary and Randy Gilliand. I used to beleive that they supported this cause and now find myself deeply offended to learn that they support the Mayor's plan to destroy Buckroe. Next time I vote I am going to vote for someone with a mind of their own not someone that will randomly give their vote by proxy to a party. There is no point to politics like that at this level of government. In fact it is actually counter productive to the decision making process and leads to distrust among the citizens. Kind of like what we are all living through right now Linda.
From: Buckroe
Linda Wednesday, 7/12/06, 6:39 PM
Well Glen, I thought when I saw the post that it was one of our council members, then I realized that it is obviously someone using his name...Our councilmen would not be stupid to make such a post, it would be political suicide and it would have been posted in the newspaper....As for what is going on in our city, that is what we are fighting for, to save buckroe, and in case you have not heard yet, the fight is not over with yet. It is the developers that are coming in and trying to destroy every ounce of land that we have with condos, restaurants, gas stations. Terry O'neill is one that is at the forfront of that mess. So Glen, I have no hostility, but I will not sit back and watch innocent folks have their names run through the mud because of their childish grievances.
From: buckroe
Glen Wednesday, 7/12/06, 3:58 PM
Linda, Whats up with that post? One minute you beat the guy up then your beating up someone else! I think that you should try to rechannel your hostility in a more positive direction! Maybe if you focused on all the sad and crazy things going on in the City you would be more productive. We have a City destroying open public space, designing crazy parking areas, paving beachfront property, wasting millions of tax dollars take your pick to be angry about, but don't find fault with your fellow citizens!
From: Buckroe
Linda Wednesday, 7/12/06, 1:51 PM
Oops, ok let me try this again. What a shame that someone is using Randy Gillilands name in a public forum to muddy his good name, what is wrong with you. You don't have enough going on in your pathetic life, that you have to try to ruin someone elses....
john parks Wednesday, 7/12/06, 4:44 AM
Good luck with the greenspace! Better luck with your Mayor that should be shipped into outer space! We all feel your pain Hampton!
From: newport news
Glen Monday, 7/10/06, 12:49 PM
I don't understand! Is Angela Leary one of the Boss Ross Fab Four? I thought she was on our side. How Come the Mayor said that he has her vote? Does he have her vote for everything or just once in a while? Is she still on our side for the Buckroe issue? And why does she have to vote with the Mayor all of the time?
From: Buckroe
Louis F. Monday, 7/10/06, 4:55 AM
I agree! Randy really pulled a fast one on this Buckroe issue, and now he is one of the Boss Ross Fab Four. Get ready for two horrible years as we live through more of the Boss's closed and dishonest governing style. I wonder if Dandy Randy is being groomed to be the next Boss. Right now I guess their relationship is like Gilligan and the Skipper. Unfortunately, they won't be setting sail anytime soon and we are stuck with them bumbling around here!
From: Hampton
Steve H. Friday, 7/7/06, 11:35 AM
I just want to know how the Greenspace girls feel about Randy Gilliand now? He used you, abused you, and moved on down the road! So goes politics anything to get elected!
Leon Friday, 7/7/06, 9:04 AM
I just wish the mayor and all the other knuckleheads involved in the Buckroe fiasco would just pack up their tents and sell their snake oil somewhere else! Isn't it time to start working on Phoebus or Fort Monroe? They have done enough damage and made the entire community divisive already. Why can't they just move on and get everybody else in town to hate their neighbors. Maybe we need to get together for another charette. We could put dots on their heads to show community weaknesses.
Candy K Thursday, 7/6/06, 9:36 AM
Trish, I agree. The City planner is obviously a moron! The design of that parking area is crazy. That area is just an accident waiting to happen. I do not think that the design could have been worse. On busy days it is like walking through a mine field with all the kids running around and traffic coming at you. Trucks and suv's can barely pass each other. Just another reason Terry O'Neil should get the boot! My question to you was about paving part of the beach itself for pier parking. It seems to me that this is just another downtown parking garage in the making. There has to be another way or a different location. Paving over sand on a beach is just down right stupid!
Trish Ferraro Wednesday, 7/5/06, 7:26 PM
To Candy K. and others....To see where the GSL and many citizen supporters stand on parking at Buckroe Beach, research this site! Many people can now see the parking debacle predicted with the addition of toe-in parking along the new First Street cut through, making navigation of automobile and pedestrian traffic hazardous while also creating an unsightly view along our beautiful waterfront. It will get worse when additional parking is added at both ends of the park. Contact City Council to inform them of your concerns. Attend the Buckroe planning committee meetings. They are open to the public. Stay tuned for the date of the next meeting to be published at this site when the date is known. Get involved. Trish
From: Buckroe
Email: trish@buckroebeach.org
Candy K Tuesday, 7/4/06, 5:07 AM
Where do the greenspace girls stand on the issue of paving the beach? How can you sit by and worry about the b-lots while the City needlessly ruins a big part of the public beach with a parking lot?
From: Buckroe
Leon Friday, 6/30/06, 3:40 AM
Who in their right mind would pave a beachfront lot? I thought it was bad enough when they were going to build houses on the b-lots but this is just insane. We pay huge money to our planning department and to consultants to come up with a plan to dispose of our beach? Why not put the restaurant on pier one and leave the beach alone for the public to enjoy? Is it possible for the entire senior administration of Hampton to leave at once? Do you think some other city would adopt us and help us out?
Glen Thursday, 6/29/06, 8:24 AM
Why would the City pave the beach? That is the best thing the City of Hampton has! Why would those morons destroy that? Greenspace girls where are you on this one? Do we now need to lose our beach so that a restaurant and pier can be put in for private gain? Why can't they use pier one where the restaurant used to be? That site was great for a hundred years why not now?
Candy K Thursday, 6/29/06, 6:22 AM
Everybody in Buckroe is up in arms about the b-lots, and that is alright, but what I don't understand is why no one is complaining about the City getting ready to pave parts of the beach? The southern end of the beach is going to be turned into a parking lot for the pier. Talk about the loss of an asset. Certainly there has to be a better place to put parking than on the beach. With all of the problems at the end of first street the City is going to destroy our public beach. That just does not make sense. Does anybody out there know how to stop this? I would rather give up one of the b-lots tan to give up thousands of square feet of beach.Help!!!!!
Crystal H. Wednesday, 6/28/06, 4:55 AM
What is up with all of these lunatics in Buckroe? Do you really need think that you are going to make the City staffers change their plans? It is not possible because this mayor is lead around like a bull with a ring through his nose. The senior level staff members continue to make the City and the council look like idiots. Look what happened to us downtown. You all should expect the same treatment. We are just pawns in a nasty game that has already been played, and unfortunately the outcome has been predetermined by some very corrupt individuals.
From: Hampton
Glen Tuesday, 6/27/06, 7:32 AM
I think the Boss is way to slippery for a roadblock. Although, I must say that I like the concept.
Angel Tuesday, 6/27/06, 4:35 AM
I heard that the Mayor is out of state on vacation. Do you think that it is possible to have the state police seal the borders so that he can't come home? That would go a long ways toward improving the City. I am sure that the City staff could use a permanent break from his incessant micro-management, and I know most citizens would enjoy not having to watch his down home, folksy memory sharing at council meetings.
Leon Sunday, 6/25/06, 8:13 AM
I think Hampton should just call on officials from Newport News and Norfolk for help in the b-lot situation. Clearly we do not have the leadership in our City to do this thing right. Our planning department is horrible and is not capable of handling this project. Can you imagine a committee of 36 people trying to accomplish anything at all? What are they going to do break into subcommittees of twelve to represent each lot? This whole thing is idiotic and should be stopped right now. If the mayor wasn't such a weak leader he would have taken control of this fiasco from the start. Instead he has allowed this to mushroom into a complete mess.
Judy Sunday, 6/25/06, 7:57 AM
Ben, right on.....furthermore, the city's invite letter for the planning team participants (recently published on the homepage of this website) states the invitation is being extended to members of the original steering committee for the Buckroe Master Plan, the green space initiative, and five city Board or Committee people. It further states respondents to the invite letter will screen the applicants who answered the ad to be included on the planning team. Sixty-three interested Hampton residents answered the ad. If this Phyllis person excludes herself from the Green Space contingent, and if neither she nor any other person on the team are/were not associated with any of the above listed invitees, then why are they on the team? Why did they receive an invitation? In fairness to ALL of us in Hampton, anyone else on the team other than the original steering committee, the green space ladies, and the city board/committee members should be removed in order to make room for some of the 63 Hampton residents who answered the ad. I concur totally with the suggestion that every Hampton zip code area should have a representative on the planning team for the Bay Front because the fate of Lots B needs to be determined by the people who own them - the taxpayers.
From: Hampton
Ben Saturday, 6/24/06, 9:28 PM
I don't think that Phyllis girl really cares about the issue. It sounds like she just wants to fight with someone. Don't worry ladies, she will self- destruct.
From: Hampton
Phyllis Flanders Saturday, 6/24/06, 8:28 PM
I certainly hope, Sandra, when you refer to the "four green space ladies" you are not including me with you and Trish and Cecile. I would appreciate you naming the "four" so I can be sure you are clear on the fact that I do not have anything to do with the three of you any longer. I have asked Trish repeatedly to remove my speeches from this website and she has repeatedly refused to do so. Also I find it amazing that you do not address the fact that you repeatedly interrupted others at the meeting when it was their turn to speak and were admonished time and time again by other members for not letting them finish their input without interruption. And, lastly, not all eighteen of the originals accepted their invitations or are willing to serve, there were actually several members from other zipcodes present by invitation including but not limited to Lee Croswell who lives in Aberdeen and hosts the Hot Dog Dip for our dog park members twice a year at his pool in Aberdeen. I am hesitant to post here since I was invited to go away by several who post here regularly - but the facts are the facts. All we were asked to do the other night was to choose and agree upon a way to pick the remaining members from the list - we were assured that all recommendations and wishes would have equal weight when we get to the designing the lots phase. I prefer to wait and see rather than pre- judge this to be a set-up. It certainly wasn't the fault of Jesse Wallace or Michael Canty that we could not come to consensus on choosing the remaining members. And - Trish if you continue to delete my postings to your website without deleting my speeches I will simply copy all of the postings here, including mine which you erase, and distribute them at the public meetings I attend.
From: Hampton
Email: epflanders@aol.com
Sandra Canepa Saturday, 6/24/06, 1:32 PM
As one of the Green Space Ladies, I am a member of the "new" planning team for Lots B and, like Joan, attended the team's first organizataional meeting on Monday, 19 June. My huge problem that night, as well as it was with some other members of the team, is the team is not diversified enough considering the diversity of our city. That team Monday night was made up of only people from the Buckroe area even though the City Manager received applications from 63 other city-wide residents who answered the city's ad and applied to be on the "new" planning team Yet, even though many of us recognized the team needed to be more diversified, try as we could that night, the team could not reach an agreement on how to add some of those 63 applicants to the team. Our big problem was trying to decide how to legally diversify the team from the 63 applicants by race, color or creed. The meeting was adjourned without a solution and with the understanding that our City Manager was going to ask City Council for their input on the next step. However, after the meeting and while a few of us were talking in the parking lot, a wonderfully fair suggestion was made in order to diversify the team. This suggestion has since been sent to the City Manager and Council for consideration and hopefully approval. The suggestion, and its solution, were very simple once it was pointed out that the current team members all come from the Buckroe area zip code, 23664, and any team dealing with this major city-wide issue needs representation from all Hampton zip code areas....particularly since 12,000 Hampton residents from every zip code area within the City of Hampton signed the petition. The city needs to determine which zip code areas the 63 applicants represent and then ensure there is a representative on the planning team from each of the other nine zip code areas within the city. This can be done by separating the applicants by zip codes into different "pots" and having someone pull one from each "pot" at the next planning committee meeting. If there are no applications from a particular zip code area, then a neighborhood commissioner from that zip code area can be invited to represent his zip code residents. One complaint at the first meeting was the team was going to be too large if more than six from the 63 applicants were added. My reply to that is then the 18 original steering committee members who voted for residential housing on Lots B over one year ago and who have been placed back on this "new" planning team should be requested to pick four of their members to represent the other 14 of them on the team, the four Green Space Ladies representing 12,000 petitioners, the city department personnnel, and then representatives from each of the other nine zip code areas to represent their community. We must not forget that the Bay Front Initiative (Lots B) of the Buckroe Master Plan is a city-wide issue as has been pointed out time and again; therefore, any "new" planning team for those lots needs to be more diverse and broad-based. The above suggestion appears to be the only fair/equal manner in which all residents within the city of Hampton are going to be represented on a team of approximately 36 members. If you concur with this suggestion, or if you have any other suggestions which can be fair to all Hampton residents, please send them to the City Manager and Council...their e-mail addressees can be found on the home page of this website. Thank you.
From: Hampton
Email: sandra@buckroebeach.org
Glenn Saturday, 6/24/06, 9:35 AM
Joan I am glad that you confirmed my friends opinion of the Buckroe committee. It is nothing more than a facade designed to further the already in place master plan. As we all know the architect of that plan is none other than the soon to be ex- planning director Terry O'Neil. Maybe we can all place some more dots on some pictures to show our communities strengths and weaknesses. Except this time lets highlight his house near the private public beach and see how many stakeholders place red dots there.
Joan Charles Saturday, 6/24/06, 9:07 AM
I was at that first reorganization meeting of the Buckroe Steering Committee The operative word is STEERing committee because it felt like a bunch of cattle being herded to a hasty conclusion. If I had not been there I would not have believed what was going on. There is only one member of council I truly trust, and that is Angela Leary. We need to give all the vocal, written, and voter support we can.
From: Hampton
Email: j.charles@erols.com
Glen Friday, 6/23/06, 1:15 PM
I agree. Someone has to stand up to these people that are trying to ruin our city and our lives. I don't know any of these people in the planning department but it sure doesn't look like they have very much on the ball. Even the new parking area in Buckroe is so narrow that it is very hazardous to drive through on a busy day. I have seen several near accidents with children running into the middle of First street. I just think that we could have done much better with someone else in charge.
Larry Friday, 6/23/06, 8:27 AM
Oliver I think you are right. Three cheers for Angela. I wonder how many people in this City would unite in outrage over the way the City is conducting its' business? I bet we could get enough people from downtown, Buckroe, Wythe, Phoebus, and everywhere else around town to get some attention. Anyone up for starting a local political party? I'll bet that the majority of the City would join if we put together a platform that revolved around honesty. We could be the citizens against bad beaurocrats incapacitating everyone. A.K.A. the cabbies.
Oliver Friday, 6/23/06, 8:09 AM
I would like to congratulate Angela Leary for her remarks in the paper today. Someone needs to point out where all of these screw ups that make the City look so bad are perpetuated. The director of planning ought to be looking for a new job because time is not on his side. He has been here far to long and he is no longer part of the solution he is the problem. Likewise, the economic development director should never have been allowed back. That was just another huge mistake on the part of the mayor. Remember greenspace people you only have one true friend on council.
From: Buckroe
Duane Oliver Thursday, 6/22/06, 7:07 PM
Just signing in. I had no idea that the city planned to butcher Buckroe. Shame on them!!! I'll be signing the petition. I like the alternate plan on this site. Everyone join in!!
From: Hampton
Email: imollie_im@yahoo.com
Glenn Tuesday, 6/20/06, 10:07 AM
I just talked to a friend of mine that serves on the new Buckroe steering committee. He told me that the committee is powerless to address the greenspace situation. It is so diluted with with members that there is no chance to get anything done. The City manager presided over the meeting, and members were told that there role is very very limited. If the committee does not reach a clear cut consensus than the original master plan goes into play. Huh! Do you think this was planned or what?
Steve H. Friday, 6/16/06, 1:40 PM
You all are crazy. Do you not understand that Boss Ross is not running for council once this term expires? That makes him a lame duck, and he does not care who he offends. So everybody had better be looking over their shoulders cause this lunatic is going to be nuts for the next two years. He is going to do whatever he pleases public be damned. This isn't about what is good for the community it's about what little teacher boy wants to do in his head. He has probably been dreaming about this moment for years. I wonder how many kids couldn't pass the aol's because he was too busy working on this crazy agenda. Anyways good luck to everyone. I hope the city survives what has turned out to be its' worst stewardship in history. He was laughing at Eason about the parking garage downtown. I wonder what our boys legacy will be: the power plant, the convention center, a city hall that has turned violently against him, a scad of idiotic community plans, or perhaps a city that is devoid of honesty or integrity. Take your pick!
From: Buckroe
Crazy Karen Friday, 6/16/06, 10:22 AM
If Gilliand = Promises made:Promises broken then Kearney= Promises made:payoffs received
Crazy Karen Friday, 6/16/06, 10:20 AM
If Giiliand= Promises made-promises broken Then
Jim McKay Friday, 6/16/06, 10:19 AM
Not allowing parking on first street is just another way that the high and mighty Mayor can hold down the little man. Hope he is happy. It was he and his cronies that allowed this thing to come to pass to begin with. Good Job!
Joe Friday, 6/16/06, 8:53 AM
What does Kearney stand for? Keep Every Available Red Nickel Entirely Yourself
Joe Friday, 6/16/06, 8:51 AM
KEEP
Lynton Williams Friday, 6/16/06, 8:00 AM
The parking issue on n first street was a completely spinless move on the part of our inept city manager and council. they rolled right over when thoes jerks at the salt ponds started screaming. oh my thoes 15 spaces will bring riff- raff and sexual predators. come on now. everybody knows the biggest freak in buckroe lives in the last house on first st. i suggest we the people remove thoes signs ourselves. i'm sick of my tax dollars going to a public beach with no parking for the public.
From: hampton
Johnny Friday, 6/16/06, 7:18 AM
Hey you all are wrong Boss Ross supported taking the parking signs down on first street once he was sure that it would soundly be defeated. Its kind of like Randy supporting the green space movement and making sure that it that the new committee was stacked with anti-greenspace members.
angel Friday, 6/16/06, 5:05 AM
Hey dude you are right! Randy G does look like one of those ballons that you see in the Macy's parade in New york. He could easily be mistaken for underdog. And Boss Ross reminds me of the Travelocity guy.
Dude Friday, 6/16/06, 4:57 AM
riff raff is to polite Angel, cockroach is more appropriate. Unfortunately kearneys true colors didnt reveal themselves prior to his election. So just like gilliland the voters were duped into thinking these clowns were somewhat honest when in fact they are vicious thugs who will stop at nothing to get their ways. There is a small group in hampton that even believes kaerney and gilliland may be aliens from the planet galgamac. think about it don¿t really look human. kearney kinda resembles the roaming gnome and gillilands head is so big he has trouble getting through doorways. i think we maybe should call mufon-the mutual ufo network
Angel Friday, 6/16/06, 4:09 AM
I don't understand. If everybody agrees that the mayor is a worthless crook then why do people vote for him? I think that if the greenspace folks band together then we could get rid of this trash and move on. It seems to me that he might just be the rif raff that people in the Salt Ponds don't want on the beach. Can't the police help?
Dude Thursday, 6/15/06, 1:19 PM
good luck green space ladies. you're fighting with the most corrupt mayor hampton has ever seen. i can't understand how he can be so powerful and so dumb at the same time. it seems like everyone is afraid of him though. maybe he'll choke on a chicken bone or something.
From: Newport News
Terry O Thursday, 6/15/06, 7:46 AM
HaHaHaHa!!!! You knuckleheads thought you were going to come onto my private public beach? Try again suckers! I'll support that just as much as I will support turning the B-lots into a recreational area!! HaHaHaHa!!!!
From: Salt Ponds
Sam Thursday, 6/15/06, 6:24 AM
By the way Boy George is also known as Jesse W. because he is not man enough to speak his mind without the Boss telling him what to say.
Sam Thursday, 6/15/06, 5:05 AM
Did anyone watch Boss Ross and Boy George at the council meeting yesterday? Once again the spineless do-nothing-duo proved that they will kowtow and pander to their buddies by not allowing parking at the end of first st. I think the excuse was that to allow the public on this public beach would invite sexual predators into their neighborhood. Our dunce mayor offered up the idea of selling the beach to the residents of Salt Ponds. I think he needs to go back to teaching study hall, and get the heck out of politics. He has proven that he is the worst leader the City has ever known and it is time for him to get out!! I wish someone on this site would realize that Buckroe is more than the B-lots and that this knucklehead is goin to ruin the place once and for all. Just like the web site says "once its gone its gone forever." Speak up and let the idiot mayor know what a worthless waste he really has become!!!
Johnny Wednesday, 6/14/06, 7:03 AM
Does it come as some sort of surprise that the Boss is making Little George discuss this at council? Ross doesn't let Geogre make big boy decisions. For goodness sake that would undermine his ability to say that Hampton's very own garden gnome had his fingers in the middle of every issue at hand. You see it is not truly a more open and honest government if the Mayor is not micro-managing every single department.
From: Buckroe
Sam Wednesday, 6/14/06, 6:08 AM
Hey Buckroe! Does everyone hear Terry O'Neil and his neighbors loud and clear? They do not want ordinary citizens to have access to their private public beach. Apparently, adding 15 parking spots to north 1st st. is going to bring in trouble makers and sexual predators. Stupid me! I thought it would bring in people that wanted to take their families to a public beach that their tax money pays to operate. These goons bought property on a public beach, and should not be surprised that they do not own that land. The wimpy city manager has the authority to make this decision himself, but is not confident enough with his own abilities to make a simple choice. I guess because he has so many friends in the Salt Ponds himself. Yet another reason why the Boss should not have been allowed to appoint the manager without a national search. But I guess when you feel that you and you alone run the city then all bets are off!
From: Buckroe
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 12:50 PM
Work with me on this fellas. We legalize prostitution just within the bounds of the ft Monroe property and create. "Fort Fantasy" a one of a kind meccca for all things porn related. We'll have office space dedicated to telephone and internet pornography with the latest in high speed connections, movie studios to create the best triple x pictures in the world, factories which only produce highest quality sex toys and of course the largest brothel in the western hemisphere. Heck we¿ll even make the Chamberlain dedicated assisted living facilitie for aging porn stars. Well make Hampton synonymous with porno and well never run out of high quality hookers.
Jimmy E Tuesday, 6/13/06, 11:44 AM
Great idea about the roads Boss. Those undersize roads tend to increace accidents thereby spurring on more car sales! Everybody is a winner!!! By the way I think that we if we could create a one mile loop on the Fort we could use that to let customers test drive cars during the day, and we could get into the NASCAR business at night. Another eureeka moment!! Can't you see it? All the rednecks partying at the Fort watching the races, the kids shooting ducks, and the wives checking the self storage! I love it when a plan comes together. Lets get the Army out!
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 11:31 AM
Just make sure you undersize any new roads on the fort Ted. The enjoyment of seeing those disgruntled residents on Chesapeake Ave has been priceless.
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 11:05 AM
Brilliant idea Jimmy! Thoes car dealers are almost as sleazy as we are. We'd be bound to get hefty kickbacks on the front side. Then when we squander it all on booze and hookers we can go back and sheke them down for more.
Ted H Tuesday, 6/13/06, 11:01 AM
I think Terrys right on the money with this moat thing except my experts have a little different twist. They say we can dredge the moat and fill it with floating ducks. It would be sort of an arcade style game with people lying around the sides of the moat shooting the ducks. We could charge an amusement tax and start to recoup some of the lost revenues. This really would not cost much to do, and anyways we could just charge it out to the Salt Ponds job.
Jimmy E Tuesday, 6/13/06, 10:38 AM
Terry thats dumb! If you let me go out and market the deal I could make that little stretch of land be Tidewaters headquarters for new and used car sales. I'll show Newport News how to do it right. Cant you just imagine taking the family on a picnic and leaving with a new pinto? We could make all those dealerships leave Denbigh and relocate right here on the Fort. We could give a carribean theme: The Fort Mon! Roe to the fort for your new car mon!
Terry O Tuesday, 6/13/06, 10:22 AM
Hey Boss! On this Fort Monroe deal I think we need to establish a mixed use to utilize the space. As for the retail side my experience tells me that we should be going after the tourist to generate taxes. We have been trying to figure out ways to utilize that stupid Fort. Obviously it would be best if we could just tear it down, but the public will not let us.We think that we can economically add rafts to the moat and create an interactive history ride. The old fort could probably be subdivided and turned into a self storage or possibly a new location to get the pawn shops out of Phoebus. The barracks could be used to house city employees once we completely run out of money or we could relocate the Todds cottage people there as well.
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 9:42 AM
Ah yes Ft Monroe. It will be the most colossal Hampton City Screw up of all time. We have the opportunity here to take something great and bollocks it up like no tomorow. The Power Plant and downtown deals will look like herculean successes compared to the boondoggle our bumbling will create there. Hey, but I don't care me and Randy will have gotten our millions in graft. Heck we'll make it all section 8 housing if the right guy comes in and greases us.
From: The Kremlin
Jesse W Tuesday, 6/13/06, 9:17 AM
Boss I'm at a loss. You know you are still my favorite teacher of all time. You told me that someday you would emulate Napoleons conquests. And now here you are having Eureeka moments at Fort Monroe. Who says history doesn't repeat.
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 9:11 AM
You keep your trap shut weasel boy, or you¿ll end up just like George. Don't forget about those pictures we have of you and Terry.
From: The Reichstag
Jesse W. Tuesday, 6/13/06, 8:58 AM
I get tired of Boss Ross. Do you people know how much wear and tear it puts on yours clothes when someone is pulling you around by strings? One minute he tells me to make decisions, the next he tells me not to make any decisions until he knows what they are. It gets so darn confusing. I sometimes wish I had never agreed to be his whipping boy. I should have let Terry O take a shot. After all he is better at making up stories to tell the public. Look at that retail deal downtown! What a hoot!!
Randy G Tuesday, 6/13/06, 8:48 AM
Thats right Boss... Ladies, thanks for the endorsement and the votes. Too bad you actually believed I care about your cause. My political ambitions are the only things that drive me. Your voices are heard and then promptly ignored. Once we pass the changes to the ordinance we'll get a 3 month break from your b lot rantings. By the next time we have to hear from you, Boone will already be building the condos and teh cash will be flowing in our pockets.
From: Marker 20
Tubby Trish Tuesday, 6/13/06, 8:38 AM
There has been a member of Boss Ross' family pilfering Hampton for generations. It is his families birthright to usurp every penny that he possibly can from public projects to protect his heirs from having to get off the public dole.
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 8:02 AM
Get back in the closet Terry. Nobody wants to hear that kind of stuff.
From: Smoking Lounge
Terry O Tuesday, 6/13/06, 7:19 AM
Right now the Boss is the Hoss, but I think Randy is just danady!! Heheheheheeeeee!
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 5:20 AM
Ha, you all can kiss my grits. I will retire soon so I don¿t care about getting re-elected. I can screw up as many neighborhoods and recreational areas as I darn well please. It¿s all about my agenda right now and how much dough I can stuff in my pockets. Sure I¿m in bed with the Boones. You don¿t think someone would really pony up $2.5 million of their own money to build a fishing pier without the promise of a sizable chunk of land to build condos on. Get real. They are in the condo business not the pier business. I set them up with some city owned property like the b lots for a song and they take care of me so to speak. It was the same with the down town deal. You see I have total control of this City. I can act as I want with total impunity. I own this town and the b lots and the beach and soon Ft Monroe. Since you green people keep bugging me at every meeting along with Frank Ottafaro, I will change the rules. Just because I want to and I can. Just so you know I¿m setting Randy up to be my successor here and you dolts fell right into our plan. A little lets go back to the planning process and you jumped right on his bandwagon. Now the elections over and the wagon is leaving the green party in the dust. I will keep laughing right down to the bank.
From: smokey back room in city hall
Monday, 6/12/06, 6:39 PM
The GSLs may want to take a close look at the language Council is proposing adopting with regards to Manner and Time for Presentations by the General Public under item 5 of the june 14 evening mtg. Although it would be a relief not to see some of you droning on and on with the same recycled message every month. it is your right and that right should not be taken from you by the megalomaniac sitting in the Mayors office.
Claude Monday, 6/12/06, 5:55 PM
The time is nearing Hampton! The Boss is going to get his just do! Sooner or later he is going down the same road the Boss at Tammany Hall went down. Justice will belong to the people once he goes behind bars. Now we have to begin to plan for a kinder and gentler city free of the corruption that he has spawned. There has to be a decent councilmen or mayor out there! Let us all start to look so that our city can begin to heal after this nasty theif!!!!
From: Buckroe
John K Saturday, 6/10/06, 5:20 AM
I never thought I would say it, but I wish Maime Locke was back in office. It least she was honest!
From: Buckroe
Friday, 6/9/06, 12:32 PM
Gilliland - Promises Made Promises Broken
Howard Thursday, 6/8/06, 5:16 AM
The make up of this new committee is very disturbing. It seems to me that there are way to many cooks in the kitchen for this to be successful. I think the way any open minded leader would have set this up is to have each neighborhood in Buckroe represented based on size. Then a few at large individuals could have been added to represent the city as a whole. Sadly, it appears to me that this is just a method to accomplish the Mayor's stated goals of building condos on the B-lots. Chances are that one lot will be spared and two developed. That way the Mayor will be able to speak out of both sides of his mouth as usual.
From: Buckroe
Larry Wednesday, 6/7/06, 3:02 PM
Yes the council elections are over and we are left with one of the most corrupt municipal governments on the Eastern Seaboard. I think that when you see the head of a snake you stomp on it. There is no sense in what the city is doing with this new commission. Obviously, Boss Ross is going to get a nice big kick back when the Boones start building condos. He and Terry O'Neil have been around too long and they both need to resign.
Ruth Wednesday, 6/7/06, 11:07 AM
Ms. Flanders, thank you for the compliment. I do hope to meet Sandra as well as the other Green Space Ladies one day. In the meantime, I agree with Sally...not about not living in Hampton....but her comment that your attitude is not helping the cause. The Hampton councilmatic elections are over, and your energies would be better spent, as you said earlier, continuing your fight to save the B lots from a different direction. Sally's suggestion also that you get your own website is excellent too because then you would not have to complain about your comments to Larry being removed from this one.
From: Hampton
Sally Wednesday, 6/7/06, 8:28 AM
Another thing, Phyllis, your attitude does not help the cause. If you really cared about that wonderful space on the Bay, you would not spend so much energy fighting with the people who are trying to help. We can see through you!
From: Newport New and happy to be here and not in Hampton
Sally Wednesday, 6/7/06, 8:15 AM
Phyllis, if you do not want to be associated with the others, then why don't you get your own website!
From: Newport News - looking in
Phyllis Flanders Wednesday, 6/7/06, 7:32 AM
Dear Ruth, Once again, and for the last time, this new steering committee will bring the plan back to the people for your voice to be heard - you will actually get to say yea or nay rather than having condo's shoved down your throats as before. That is the difference. Now - I invite you to hold fast to your perceptions and politics - please don't change - but I have to get on with the actual work of making a difference. And, for those of you who really thought I put the petitions on a shelf to gather dust - then you need to read more, get on more email lists, or sign your name here with your email so other emails can be sent to you - this is certainly not the only 'save the green space' venue. Larry, every time I post a note saying I agree with you - Trish deletes it - but I have copies of each thing that I have posted if you want to read them - email me for the update on the pier, the Mayor, and Randy Gilliland. I just truly hope that at some point all of you realize how lucky you are that Tuck and Gaskill didn't get elected - and how sad it is that Gilliland did. I only started posting here again because people thought I was still affiliated with the GSL - and that is because Trish, even now, refuses to remove my speeches from this website. Feel free to stay here, and stay stuck, in the past and your negativity however, the 'save the green space' movement is moving forward and looking forward to a bright and happy tomorrow at the expanded park at Buckroe Beach. PS: Ruth - aren't you really Sandra writing under another name? You sound and write just like her. Whether you are or not - God Bless You and keep exercising that voice and writing hand.
From: Hampton
Email: epflanders@aol.com
Larry Wednesday, 6/7/06, 4:52 AM
I have been telling you knuckleheads all along that Randy Gilliand would not champion your cause. That whole deal was purely to get re-elected. Thye mayor and Terry O'Neil have plans for those lots and there is nothing you can do to stop them. This new committee will go through the motions and will amazingly side with Boss Ross and Terry O. And before you know it the mayors pals from Norfolk will be building condos all over the area. This isn't about what is right or wrong, it is about money. Unfortunately, we have one of the most dishonest mayors in North America. He is getting ready to retire and he is lining his pockets. He is truly a disgusting excuse for a human being!
Ruth Tuesday, 6/6/06, 5:22 PM
Ms. Flanders, you speak with a forked tongue....to say one minute you wrote to give signers a voice and that our signatures on the petition were used by the Green Space Gals/Ladies (what is the difference?)to report to City Council our numbers so our voices could be heard and so we could hear what was happening in the process and then to say that the signatures were not supposed to be used to speak for us....how crazy is that? At almost every Council meeting for the first couple of months in early 2005 you reported 2500 "signatures" and then 4000 "signatures" etc so that certainly sounded like you too were speaking for us at the time, and like I said before, we appreciated the fact you Green Space Gals/Ladies were out there speaking for us busy souls, particularly as more and more Hampton citizens signed the petition for their "voices" to be heard and reported by you or one of the other Green Space Gals/Ladies. We were interested in saving Lots B by signing the petition, and we do not/did not care how or who reported our signatues as long as someone did it and spoke for us. If today you are saying you wrote the petition for any other reason then apparently you only want credit for writing the petition and nothing else. Furthermore, that now you are saying you do not want our voices to be heard by anyone but we petitioners personally and apparently you are trying to badmouth those other Green Space Gals/Ladies who have and continue to step forward speaking for all of us is a disservice to all petitioners, particularly those like myself who do not have the time to write letters, call council, attend meetings, etc. For this reason I am very happy to realize the other Green Space Gals/Ladies did not put our signatures on a shelf to gather dust and be ignored as apparently you think they should have been. The only good sensible thing you say below is you are continuing the fight to save Lots B from a different direction. Good for you and good for the other Gren Space gals/ladies because at least you all, with us petitioners, have a common goal and one voice, whether you want to admit it or not.
From: Hampton
Tuesday, 6/6/06, 4:47 PM
Phyllis, I am sorry, but you do not make much sense.
Phyllis Flanders Tuesday, 6/6/06, 4:35 PM
I appreciate your comments Ruth - however, to again set the record straignt - I did not just draft the petition. I wrote the petition and carried it through all of the legal processes that were necessary to ensure its validity before anyone else became involved in the process. And, I did so because the city had selected a group of people to speak for you the citizens - the original steering committee - and they were not reporting back to you at all. I initiated the petition to give you, the citizens your own voice, not to appoint some other group to represent you. The original Green Space Gals were an instrument to report to City Council on the progress of the petition drive for your voices to be heard and, to report to you the citizens on what was happening in the process - not to speak for you. When the Green Space Ladies (a separate group) decided that they represented you the citizens it was just one more reason that I continued the fight to save the B lots from a different direction. Read the petition - nowhere does it say it appoints anyone to speak for you. The petition gave you, the citizens a voice, your voice has been heard, and now you must follow through if you want to be successful.
From: Hampton
Email: epflanders@aol.com
Ruth Tuesday, 6/6/06, 2:37 PM
I want to thank Ms. Flanders for alerting me and other guest book visitors to the initial planning meeting for Lots B on Thursday, 15 June. Sadly, my job will not permit my attendance. For this reason, I need to correct her claim that no one has been elected or selected to represent the petition signers. I signed the petition to have Lots B designated as a city park for our now and future generations and, other than encouraging others to sign the petition, that has had to be the extent of my participation in the issue because of work, family and other pressures. However, my signature, the signatures of my family and friends and co-workers on the petition is legal authorization to permit the Green Space Ladies to speak for us at any event concerning Lots B. We know they want what we want for Lots B, and we all watch the Council meetings and cheer those gals on each and every time they speak on our behalf. We only wish we could do more but know they are out there fighting for us almost every day, if not at Council, then in their letters to the editor and their e-mails to keep us informed and updated. Since I understand Ms. Flanders drafted the petition, I am shocked she does not recognize the fact that the signatures on the petition speak for thousands of Hampton residents through the Green Space Gals. If she does not recognize that, why did she draw up a petition anyway? But, whatever her reason and whether she planned it or not, it worked and it has proven to be a powerful force of voices before Council, all voiced through the Green Space Ladies. Thank you Gals from one family who dearly appreciates your representing and speaking for us petitioners on the issue.
From: Hampton
Phyllis Flanders Tuesday, 6/6/06, 7:27 AM
The first meeting of the newly appointed steering committee for the revamping of the Buckroe Beach Bayfront will meet on Thursday, June 15th at 6:30pm at St Joseph's Church Hall (Cordier Hall) located at 512 Buckroe Avenue. This meeting is open to the public and you may attend whether or not you are on the steering committee. The agenda is as follows: Select member-at-large from applicants for those seats, establish working ground rules, create a schedule for working, and begin process development.Please remember that no one has been elected or selected to represent you the 10,229 petition signers - each person there has one voice and speaks for themself only. This is your meeting and your process. So please show up, listen, watch, and contribute as you deem necessary - and remember you can always email a letter to the editor or a letter to city council regarding your views on the process.
From: Hampton
Email: epflanders
Linda Saturday, 6/3/06, 1:11 PM
I have been reading the entries in here, and I don't understand something, there have been little tugs going back and forth here, who cares about who is doing what and with who, as long as everyone is working for the common good, which is Buckroe, the 3 "B" blocks. I mean come one now, we all should be coming together on the buckroe issue......
From: Hampton/Buckroe
Cindy H Thursday, 6/1/06, 12:11 PM
You are right about Terry O'Neil. He is the reason that this area was so poorly designed, and he is the reason that this whole Buckroe mess started in the first place. I wish he would just do us all a favor and move to another state!! By the way I miss the greenspace girls! Come on back "Far Out" Phyllis!
From: Salt Ponds
Howard Thursday, 6/1/06, 6:06 AM
Larry I agree with your comments about Terry O'Neil needing to be replaced. He has been with the city for a very long time and is one of the original power plant people. It seems that everything that he gets involved in turns up a mess. He has cost taxpayers millions of dollars as a result of his stupidity and lack of professional skill. He is the one leading the charge to develop the b lots and to condemn cantamar. It would be great if he and "Boss Ross" would just act int he best interest of the city and just resign. Please resign!!!!!
From: Buckroe
Larry Wednesday, 5/31/06, 5:23 AM
Good question John! It seems that there will be no fishing pier in Buckroe anytime soon because Terry O'Neil and Boss Ross screwed the whole deal up, and now they have to reapply for all the permits. Now is our chance to have the pier put on the old pier one site where it belongs! What a great thing that would be to have the pier in the center of the park. It would truly be the center of all the action and they could also build ice cream parlors and coffee shops there. It would be awesome.
John and Louise Dixon Tuesday, 5/30/06, 1:59 PM
Used to come to buckroe when I was a young girl when the amusement park was there. We had been back some years past for a long weekend just to fish and catch a couple waves. Were thinking about it this summer but I see there is no fishing pier. When will the new pier be finished? Thank you and good luck in your endeavors. Lou
From: Gladstone, Va.
Email: loudix1@aol.com
Larry Tuesday, 5/30/06, 7:51 AM
Enough with all the green space people looking for pats on the back. Lets get back to the issues at hand. This weekend Buckroe Beach was very busy, and yet the new road wasn't open for business. Another prime reason that Terry O'Neil should be removed from office. Also, the yet to be started pier remains a point of concern with the nasty bar that Boss Ross wants to build in the middle of the park. I'm telling you all please go see the one in Norfolk at night and you will be shocked to think that our City fathers would be dumb enough to build that where children are playing. Please take the time to go look. If you all care about Buckroe go see this place in action and you will be sick. It is like the Brass Lantern and it is exactly what everyone involved in Buckroe is trying to get rid of right now.
Phyllis Flanders Tuesday, 5/30/06, 5:11 AM
Dear Ruth, Thank you for your posting. As I said - this isn't about name-calling or flame wars for me - just about setting the record straight. Now that people have had a chance to read about both points of view and choices, they have a right to choose where they stand and support whom they wish - that is the whole point of this effort - for the citizens to have a voice no matter what side they take. So, I thank you for using your voice and wish you well.
From: Hampton
Email: epflanders@aol.com
Ruth Monday, 5/29/06, 9:04 PM
After reading the quote, next under, no wonder you GSLs dropped Phyllis. Who wants to deal with that! Keep up the good work girls. Ruth G.
From: Salt Ponds
Phyllis Flanders Monday, 5/29/06, 7:05 PM
I did not come here to join in the name calling or flame wars that seem to rage on this page - just to set the record straight as many of you have asked me to do since you can contact me once again. For the record I have never left the Green Space Movement - I simply chose to work with a different group of people on the same issue. I did choose not to participate in the referendum effort that Sanda, Trish and Cecile supported and I chose not to support the slate of candidates that they chose to support in the city council race so they dropped my contact information from this page and removed me from their informational mailing list. However, I have continued to work very hard for the green space issue and two of the three candidates that I supported won the race for city council seats - and I happily believe that two outta three ain't bad. :) I'm sorry Trish no longer believes the petition is important - it is still important - very important because it is the instrument of the voice of the people and now the pages are being given to the city and they are expected to actually give an accurate culled count when the last database they have is 9,312 names out of the 10,229 names that are officially counted. Thank you for your support! If you would like to discuss my postings or want further information regarding upcoming strategy meetings feel free to contact me at 757/851-2262 or epflanders@aol.com. PS: To the person who posted just before me - thanks for not calling me "tubby"! LOLOLOLOL Far Out Phyllis :)
From: Hampton
Email: epflanders@aol.com
Dude Friday, 6/16/06, 4:57 AM
riff raff is to polite Angel, cockroach is more appropriate. Unfortunately kearneys true colors didnt reveal themselves prior to his election. So just like gilliland the voters were duped into thinking these clowns were somewhat honest when in fact they are vicious thugs who will stop at nothing to get their ways. There is a small group in hampton that even believes kaerney and gilliland may be aliens from the planet galgamac. think about it don¿t really look human. kearney kinda resembles the roaming gnome and gillilands head is so big he has trouble getting through doorways. i think we maybe should call mufon-the mutual ufo network
Angel Friday, 6/16/06, 4:09 AM
I don't understand. If everybody agrees that the mayor is a worthless crook then why do people vote for him? I think that if the greenspace folks band together then we could get rid of this trash and move on. It seems to me that he might just be the rif raff that people in the Salt Ponds don't want on the beach. Can't the police help?
Dude Thursday, 6/15/06, 1:19 PM
good luck green space ladies. you're fighting with the most corrupt mayor hampton has ever seen. i can't understand how he can be so powerful and so dumb at the same time. it seems like everyone is afraid of him though. maybe he'll choke on a chicken bone or something.
From: Newport News
Terry O Thursday, 6/15/06, 7:46 AM
HaHaHaHa!!!! You knuckleheads thought you were going to come onto my private public beach? Try again suckers! I'll support that just as much as I will support turning the B-lots into a recreational area!! HaHaHaHa!!!!
From: Salt Ponds
Sam Thursday, 6/15/06, 6:24 AM
By the way Boy George is also known as Jesse W. because he is not man enough to speak his mind without the Boss telling him what to say.
Sam Thursday, 6/15/06, 5:05 AM
Did anyone watch Boss Ross and Boy George at the council meeting yesterday? Once again the spineless do-nothing-duo proved that they will kowtow and pander to their buddies by not allowing parking at the end of first st. I think the excuse was that to allow the public on this public beach would invite sexual predators into their neighborhood. Our dunce mayor offered up the idea of selling the beach to the residents of Salt Ponds. I think he needs to go back to teaching study hall, and get the heck out of politics. He has proven that he is the worst leader the City has ever known and it is time for him to get out!! I wish someone on this site would realize that Buckroe is more than the B-lots and that this knucklehead is goin to ruin the place once and for all. Just like the web site says "once its gone its gone forever." Speak up and let the idiot mayor know what a worthless waste he really has become!!!
Johnny Wednesday, 6/14/06, 7:03 AM
Does it come as some sort of surprise that the Boss is making Little George discuss this at council? Ross doesn't let Geogre make big boy decisions. For goodness sake that would undermine his ability to say that Hampton's very own garden gnome had his fingers in the middle of every issue at hand. You see it is not truly a more open and honest government if the Mayor is not micro-managing every single department.
From: Buckroe
Sam Wednesday, 6/14/06, 6:08 AM
Hey Buckroe! Does everyone hear Terry O'Neil and his neighbors loud and clear? They do not want ordinary citizens to have access to their private public beach. Apparently, adding 15 parking spots to north 1st st. is going to bring in trouble makers and sexual predators. Stupid me! I thought it would bring in people that wanted to take their families to a public beach that their tax money pays to operate. These goons bought property on a public beach, and should not be surprised that they do not own that land. The wimpy city manager has the authority to make this decision himself, but is not confident enough with his own abilities to make a simple choice. I guess because he has so many friends in the Salt Ponds himself. Yet another reason why the Boss should not have been allowed to appoint the manager without a national search. But I guess when you feel that you and you alone run the city then all bets are off!
From: Buckroe
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 12:50 PM
Work with me on this fellas. We legalize prostitution just within the bounds of the ft Monroe property and create. "Fort Fantasy" a one of a kind meccca for all things porn related. We'll have office space dedicated to telephone and internet pornography with the latest in high speed connections, movie studios to create the best triple x pictures in the world, factories which only produce highest quality sex toys and of course the largest brothel in the western hemisphere. Heck we¿ll even make the Chamberlain dedicated assisted living facilitie for aging porn stars. Well make Hampton synonymous with porno and well never run out of high quality hookers.
Jimmy E Tuesday, 6/13/06, 11:44 AM
Great idea about the roads Boss. Those undersize roads tend to increace accidents thereby spurring on more car sales! Everybody is a winner!!! By the way I think that we if we could create a one mile loop on the Fort we could use that to let customers test drive cars during the day, and we could get into the NASCAR business at night. Another eureeka moment!! Can't you see it? All the rednecks partying at the Fort watching the races, the kids shooting ducks, and the wives checking the self storage! I love it when a plan comes together. Lets get the Army out!
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 11:31 AM
Just make sure you undersize any new roads on the fort Ted. The enjoyment of seeing those disgruntled residents on Chesapeake Ave has been priceless.
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 11:05 AM
Brilliant idea Jimmy! Thoes car dealers are almost as sleazy as we are. We'd be bound to get hefty kickbacks on the front side. Then when we squander it all on booze and hookers we can go back and sheke them down for more.
Ted H Tuesday, 6/13/06, 11:01 AM
I think Terrys right on the money with this moat thing except my experts have a little different twist. They say we can dredge the moat and fill it with floating ducks. It would be sort of an arcade style game with people lying around the sides of the moat shooting the ducks. We could charge an amusement tax and start to recoup some of the lost revenues. This really would not cost much to do, and anyways we could just charge it out to the Salt Ponds job.
Jimmy E Tuesday, 6/13/06, 10:38 AM
Terry thats dumb! If you let me go out and market the deal I could make that little stretch of land be Tidewaters headquarters for new and used car sales. I'll show Newport News how to do it right. Cant you just imagine taking the family on a picnic and leaving with a new pinto? We could make all those dealerships leave Denbigh and relocate right here on the Fort. We could give a carribean theme: The Fort Mon! Roe to the fort for your new car mon!
Terry O Tuesday, 6/13/06, 10:22 AM
Hey Boss! On this Fort Monroe deal I think we need to establish a mixed use to utilize the space. As for the retail side my experience tells me that we should be going after the tourist to generate taxes. We have been trying to figure out ways to utilize that stupid Fort. Obviously it would be best if we could just tear it down, but the public will not let us.We think that we can economically add rafts to the moat and create an interactive history ride. The old fort could probably be subdivided and turned into a self storage or possibly a new location to get the pawn shops out of Phoebus. The barracks could be used to house city employees once we completely run out of money or we could relocate the Todds cottage people there as well.
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 9:42 AM
Ah yes Ft Monroe. It will be the most colossal Hampton City Screw up of all time. We have the opportunity here to take something great and bollocks it up like no tomorow. The Power Plant and downtown deals will look like herculean successes compared to the boondoggle our bumbling will create there. Hey, but I don't care me and Randy will have gotten our millions in graft. Heck we'll make it all section 8 housing if the right guy comes in and greases us.
From: The Kremlin
Jesse W Tuesday, 6/13/06, 9:17 AM
Boss I'm at a loss. You know you are still my favorite teacher of all time. You told me that someday you would emulate Napoleons conquests. And now here you are having Eureeka moments at Fort Monroe. Who says history doesn't repeat.
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 9:11 AM
You keep your trap shut weasel boy, or you¿ll end up just like George. Don't forget about those pictures we have of you and Terry.
From: The Reichstag
Jesse W. Tuesday, 6/13/06, 8:58 AM
I get tired of Boss Ross. Do you people know how much wear and tear it puts on yours clothes when someone is pulling you around by strings? One minute he tells me to make decisions, the next he tells me not to make any decisions until he knows what they are. It gets so darn confusing. I sometimes wish I had never agreed to be his whipping boy. I should have let Terry O take a shot. After all he is better at making up stories to tell the public. Look at that retail deal downtown! What a hoot!!
Randy G Tuesday, 6/13/06, 8:48 AM
Thats right Boss... Ladies, thanks for the endorsement and the votes. Too bad you actually believed I care about your cause. My political ambitions are the only things that drive me. Your voices are heard and then promptly ignored. Once we pass the changes to the ordinance we'll get a 3 month break from your b lot rantings. By the next time we have to hear from you, Boone will already be building the condos and teh cash will be flowing in our pockets.
From: Marker 20
Tubby Trish Tuesday, 6/13/06, 8:38 AM
There has been a member of Boss Ross' family pilfering Hampton for generations. It is his families birthright to usurp every penny that he possibly can from public projects to protect his heirs from having to get off the public dole.
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 8:02 AM
Get back in the closet Terry. Nobody wants to hear that kind of stuff.
From: Smoking Lounge
Terry O Tuesday, 6/13/06, 7:19 AM
Right now the Boss is the Hoss, but I think Randy is just danady!! Heheheheheeeeee!
Boss Ross Tuesday, 6/13/06, 5:20 AM
Ha, you all can kiss my grits. I will retire soon so I don¿t care about getting re-elected. I can screw up as many neighborhoods and recreational areas as I darn well please. It¿s all about my agenda right now and how much dough I can stuff in my pockets. Sure I¿m in bed with the Boones. You don¿t think someone would really pony up $2.5 million of their own money to build a fishing pier without the promise of a sizable chunk of land to build condos on. Get real. They are in the condo business not the pier business. I set them up with some city owned property like the b lots for a song and they take care of me so to speak. It was the same with the down town deal. You see I have total control of this City. I can act as I want with total impunity. I own this town and the b lots and the beach and soon Ft Monroe. Since you green people keep bugging me at every meeting along with Frank Ottafaro, I will change the rules. Just because I want to and I can. Just so you know I¿m setting Randy up to be my successor here and you dolts fell right into our plan. A little lets go back to the planning process and you jumped right on his bandwagon. Now the elections over and the wagon is leaving the green party in the dust. I will keep laughing right down to the bank.
From: smokey back room in city hall
Monday, 6/12/06, 6:39 PM
The GSLs may want to take a close look at the language Council is proposing adopting with regards to Manner and Time for Presentations by the General Public under item 5 of the june 14 evening mtg. Although it would be a relief not to see some of you droning on and on with the same recycled message every month. it is your right and that right should not be taken from you by the megalomaniac sitting in the Mayors office.
Claude Monday, 6/12/06, 5:55 PM
The time is nearing Hampton! The Boss is going to get his just do! Sooner or later he is going down the same road the Boss at Tammany Hall went down. Justice will belong to the people once he goes behind bars. Now we have to begin to plan for a kinder and gentler city free of the corruption that he has spawned. There has to be a decent councilmen or mayor out there! Let us all start to look so that our city can begin to heal after this nasty theif!!!!
From: Buckroe
John K Saturday, 6/10/06, 5:20 AM
I never thought I would say it, but I wish Maime Locke was back in office. It least she was honest!
From: Buckroe
Friday, 6/9/06, 12:32 PM
Gilliland - Promises Made Promises Broken
Howard Thursday, 6/8/06, 5:16 AM
The make up of this new committee is very disturbing. It seems to me that there are way to many cooks in the kitchen for this to be successful. I think the way any open minded leader would have set this up is to have each neighborhood in Buckroe represented based on size. Then a few at large individuals could have been added to represent the city as a whole. Sadly, it appears to me that this is just a method to accomplish the Mayor's stated goals of building condos on the B-lots. Chances are that one lot will be spared and two developed. That way the Mayor will be able to speak out of both sides of his mouth as usual.
From: Buckroe
Larry Wednesday, 6/7/06, 3:02 PM
Yes the council elections are over and we are left with one of the most corrupt municipal governments on the Eastern Seaboard. I think that when you see the head of a snake you stomp on it. There is no sense in what the city is doing with this new commission. Obviously, Boss Ross is going to get a nice big kick back when the Boones start building condos. He and Terry O'Neil have been around too long and they both need to resign.
